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Chinese selmer saxophone11/8/2022 ![]() ![]() I also don't think that either Yani or Yamaha were trying to fool anyone. Hey, I don't think you'll get too many folks saying that a Bundy II is better than a YxS-23. CHINESE SELMER SAXOPHONE SERIESI think Yamaha's big success was more with the YxS-21, then 23, series of student horns. Selmer thought that the Mark VII was the future and they sold a lot more VIIs than VIs. So, while Selmer could and probably did complain about Yamaha and Selmer copying the VI, Yani and Yamaha were copying a discontinued model. Both the 61 and 6 Series were introduced in 1970/71, which is toward the end of the line of the VI (1974ish). ![]() However, neither the 6 nor the 61 were the first saxophones from either company. Until international patents mean something in China we'll see more and more of this problem.Ĭlick to expand.If you consider the Yanagisawa 6 Series and Yamaha 61 series as copies of the Selmer Mark VI, I tend to agree with you - although the Yamaha 61 looks a lot more different from the VI than the 6 Series. Which, just looking at the car examples above is something they are willing to do at a much larger scale. Of course, you know, they copy towns too => īut copies are one thing, as long as they are not labeled as another product. Because they'll probably use them, if they haven't already stolen them electronically lol. The problem is, you don't want to publish your patents to the Communist China patent office. Then someone else copied the design, and so on and so on.īut in China patents is another thing altogether with it's problems.Ī nice long article about patents in China, and lack of international enforcement => After all, in the beginning there was only ONE saxophone maker. I agree it is a way of learning, recreating a process is definitely a way of learning. It was believed that copying was a way of learning, showing admiration and respect. In China copying an item is not considered a problem, they consider it good that you copy a problem to exact details, even cars They then sell the stuff out the back door. You also have to release patents to them. Though did not mark them as Keilwerth, but as their own horn.īut in China you have to have a partner to build your stuff for you. So I ask you: this is a good thing why? To keep the economy going? How's that turning out?Įven the US company WT Armstrong copied Keilwerth horns to make them in the US with cheaper US labor costs. Everything has a built-in obsolescence to it. The result: big-ticket household items that now have an average life expectancy of 5 to 7 years instead of 30. People have become accustomed to things for cheap, and there are seemingly a never-ending bunch countries willing to undercut each other, and provide cheaper consumer goods, of poorer quality. Smarter people than I when it comes to economics, can argue the merits of these business practices, but at the end of the day, this is what we're left with. Camera, car, etc, etc, companies of course all went through this. This put a lot of the established companies out business. These companies-and yes, that includes Yamaha-have a history of ripping off the designs of well-known European makers, and manufacturing and selling them for less. This is just one of the reasons I have never been a fan of the Asian-made horns. Techs will likely be the ones giving the owners the bad news that what they have there is a fake or forgery, rather than the real deal. ![]() I wonder how many knock-offs will be/are sold that the new owners don't suspect are fakes. Yup, and that's the frightening thought, isn't it. ![]()
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